Path: paganini.bofh.team!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.mixmin.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "NightBulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.bible,alt.religion.christian.catholic,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.messianic,alt.atheism,alt.bible.prophecy Subject: Re: You can't keep the law. Followup-To: alt.bible Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 20:58:58 -0600 Organization: Mixmin Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 05:57:16 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net; posting-host="a7a1c509498394b3fab233833912fac9b3170e03"; logging-data="2851570"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@mixmin.net" Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.bible:654015 alt.religion.christian.catholic:5221 alt.christnet.christianlife:1040881 alt.messianic:514750 alt.atheism:4781449 alt.bible.prophecy:746593 On 11/28/22 02:46, Michael McLean wrote: > On 28/11/2022 3:06 pm, NightBulb.net wrote: >> On 11/27/22 16:31, Dr. Who wrote: >>> On Nov 27, 2022, Michael McLean wrote >>> (in article ): >>> >>>> You can't keep the law anymore than you can follow all scripture. >>>> >>>> What? You keep your preference, and leave the rest? And that gets a >>>> pass? >>>> >>>> "If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them." >>>> >>>> You are either the fulfillment of them or you are still in your sin. >>>> >>>> Mike >>> >>> Instead of admitting your error on a previous post you come up with >>> this? >>> >>> What a shame. You multiplied your error twenty fold, and then added >>> to it. >>> >>> Who was under the Law? It was the Jew, not the Gentile. Had you >>> knowledge of >>> scripture you would have seen that. >> >> By one man sin and death came upon all nations, not just upon the Jews. >> >> "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the >> obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Moreover the law >> entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace >> did much more abound:" >> >> The nations (gentiles) were always under the curse of the >> transgression of Adam. It was the law of Moses that made the death >> penalty take effect, and paved the way for Jesus to remove the curse. >> Until the law of Moses came to effect the sentence, sentence was >> delayed. Then the indictment was nailed to the cross. Jesus saved all >> men, not just the followers of Moses. Jesus atoned for the >> transgression of Adam, not just the transgression of the Mosaic law. >> The Mosaic law made sin abound, so that mercy could abound. God did >> not want to play favorites. He wanted everyone back, not just a few. >> He gets what he wants. >> >> God does not need your help to save souls. By pretending to this >> effort you are making a mockery of grace. >> >>> “For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things >>> contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto >>> themselves:” (Rom 2:14, KJV) >> >> You omit the rest of this chapter, which runs counter to your >> conclusions: >> >> "Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? >> thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? Thou that >> sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? >> thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? Thou that >> makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest >> thou God? For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through >> you, as it is written. For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep >> the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made >> uncircumcision." >> >> In other words keeping the law is the impossible, nonsensical effort >> of hypocrites. And it is so obviously hypocritical that the Gentiles >> see these lawkeepers keeping their precious 'law' and blaspheme the >> God of the Jews on account of their hypocrisy. The self-righteousness >> of "law keepers" or "bible keepers" spreads sin far and wide! >> >> Judaism and Christianity have produced more atheists and weirdos than >> any thing. People who have a shred of conscience cannot stomach the >> hypocrisy and thus throw out the baby with the bathwater and reject >> the faith entirely. Those claiming to keep God's law are LIARS: >> >> "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is >> not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive >> us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say >> that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." >> >> The true law-keeper and follower of the bible is not someone who keeps >> it in letter but rather one who follows after the Spirit: >> >> "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that >> circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is >> one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, >> and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." >> >>> The Mosaic Law had specified blessings and curses attached. Not so >>> with the >>> Gentiles who had the law of God written in their hearts, which many call >>> their conscience. >> >> Which is the thing Michael has been saying, to follow the heart >> instead of a book, for which you call him a devil. If the law of God >> is written on my heart, I don't need some self-important, >> self-righteous "teacher of the law" telling me how to know God. You >> are not the judge of who does or doesn't know God. None of your purity >> tests or litmus tests have anything to do with the will of God. You >> want to examine to see how well people have washed their cup, but you >> only look at the outside of the cup and not the inside. >> >> "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man >> his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from >> the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I >> will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." >> >>> Those who follow Judaism are under the law, to fulfill the whole law >>> in its >>> entirety or die a sinner. Why? Because if the only broke on law in their >>> entire life they are guilty of sin unto death. Spiritual death as >>> there is no >>> forgiveness for that sin through the sacrifices of animals as >>> prescribed bt >>> Law, Only through the shed blood of Christ can they be forgiven and >>> redeemed. >> >> Nobody is under the law any more. The Law of Moses was abolished by >> Jesus. Those who demand obedience to some rule book are under a curse >> of their own blindness, but not the law, for the curse of the law was >> removed by Jesus. The gates of Hades did not prevail. Your own >> self-will cannot put you under a curse that was already put to death! >> >> The law of Moses was a schoolmaster to show the futility of man-made >> righteousness. Then real righteousness came, saw, and took names. >> >>> Therefor now only through the shed blood of Jesus can anyone be >>> forgiven of >>> their sins. Past, present, and future sins. This is for the Jew and the >>> Gentile alike. >> >> The curse that you level at men is taken away. All men already have >> been forgiven by the intercession of Jesus Christ. He even told his >> Father to forgive the men who nailed him to the cross. >> >> There is nothing more that needs to be done. Every man will be >> punished for his own transgressions now, or forgiven for his >> transgressions, in whatever way God sees fit, but the punishment of >> permanent spiritual death is gone, and is no longer on the table. >> >> Either God is all-powerful and has prevailed, and has reconciled >> mankind to Himself, or God is not all-powerful and your Roman devil >> has prevailed by binding 99.9% of mankind to himself. Choose one. >> >>> There is nothing to support your claim that one must follow all the >>> scripture >>> or die. You, of all people, should be grateful for that, since you >>> say others >>> should toss their bibles and for find God on the streets. That is how >>> people >>> sear their conscience and start walking freely in sin, thinking >>> falsely that >>> they are just hunky dory. Then they die an everlasting death. >> >> Everyone already is freely walking in sin. Why do you think they are >> mortal and dying? Paul said the law of Moses was given so that sin >> could abound! Why would God do that? >> >> "Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where >> sin abounded, grace did much more abound:" >> >> Nobody dies an everlasting death. That is Imperial Rome speaking to >> terrorize people into submission to their religious and political >> authority. >> >> "For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they >> which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness >> shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)" >> >> Death and hell are swallowed up in victory. The doctrine of >> everlasting death is nonsense. All men are to be reconciled to God the >> Father. Every filthy, stinking sinner who ever lived will be >> resurrected to life. Every thief, robber, murderer, prostitute, moron, >> liar, will have his reckoning and bend the knee and confess to the >> Father. The Devil will have exactly zero souls in his little volcano >> torture chamber. Men like you will be flabbergasted at the kind of >> people that God is going to bring into his Kingdom--people you are >> certain should be burning at the stake forever. >> >> "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and >> believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not >> come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." >> >> "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to >> me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us >> shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one >> another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling >> block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way." >> >> You use the bible as a stumbling block, the same way the Pharisees >> used the Old Testament books as a stumbling block. Every knee will bow >> to God the Father, and every tongue will confess their sins to him, >> and all will be judged by Him, not by you, not by some religious credo >> or biblical litmus test. >> >>> You would be wise to study hard, the first 8 or 9 chapters of Romans, >>> and do >>> so in concert with the Book of 1 John, all of it. So as to get a clear >>> understanding of sin, forgiveness, for ones daily walk with the Lord. >> >> Nobody needs your wisdom or study plans. You are not important. No man >> is important in God's grand scheme, except for Jesus. >> >> "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man >> his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from >> the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD ..." >> >>> Even if you are not born again this should benefit you greatly if you >>> ask God >>> for his help in understanding it as you read through the passages. >> >> There is no benefit of studying the scripture to those who are not >> born again. Such is like giving a toddler a bazooka to play with. God >> knows where the blind are--in the ditch. He knows how to lift them up >> out of the ditch. He will do so on His own time table, not on yours. >> >>> But I write this mainly to offset the spiritual lies you have said >>> here so >>> that others might now right from wrong and how to find the truths of the >>> matter. >> >> "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes >> shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." >> >> God put the serpent in the garden to do this very thing, and does not >> need your help in the matter. Nobody needs your help to see right from >> wrong. Physician heal thyself! Stop being obsessed with horizontal sin >> and be obsessed with upright grace! > > According to Robert, and the like, they are a higher class of sinner, > "special religious sinners" and do something great at an inner level > that homosexuals, prostitutes, and thieves don't do. > > They are a better breed of filthy sinner, apparently.  They'll never > admit it and will use all sorts of twisted theology to justify > themselves. As I understand it, though, sin is whoredom, but they are > obviously more of a high class whore standard.  :-). > > It's a frickin joke. He or his buddy or sock puppet or whoever called me a messenger of Satan for the umpteenth time in his last word salad tirade. He accused me of trying to stop the spread of the gospel, as if men like him even know the first principles of the gospel. The word 'gospel' means 'good news.' How is it good news when these Pharisees claim that the Devil will win and own 99.9% of everything God created, and will torture them for eternity in a flaming pit? That's not good news at all. It's a sadistic horror story. What kind of omnipotent, loving Father would tolerate such a state of affairs for a single second? Is God omnipotent or isn't he? Does he get his will accomplished or does the Devil have power to frustrate his will? Christians offer their cockamamie explanations by saying that men choose the torture chamber by being sinners. This is nonsense. God is the one who has the power to choose. Man's will is in bondage to sin. Either you must agree with these modern Pharisees, and submit to them, and ask THEM for guidance, or else you're a devil headed for their imaginary lake of fire. The Pharisees expend all their rage trying to rule over the faith of everyone else by threatening them with fire. It enrages these fanatics to think that God will forgive people who haven't earned it. They construct a sin grading chart that only they can interpret and understand. They compound their errors by their false interpretation of the lake of fire mentioned in the book of Revelation. It is not a literal lake or a literal fire at all, unless they also want to admit that the Dragon is a literal dragon and the woman is literally giving birth aloft and a gruesome beast rises up out of the sea. These things are all clearly apocalyptic symbols of political and religious powers, yet they conveniently interpret literally when it confirms their Greco-Roman Hades myth. They compound it more when they talk about the 'millenium' of 1000 years when the Greek metaphor there is a symbolic number and does not mean, and was not meant by the writer to indicate a literal thousand years. They add to their confusion with the false rapture doctrine, by once again picking and choosing which metaphors to make into literal events and which metaphors get to remain metaphors. The false God that these Christian fanatics worship is a sadistic monster who is powerless to save his children from the all-powerful Devil. It's a sick cartoon of a religion. The good news, or gospel, is that Jesus Christ took away the sins of the world and reconciled mankind to God, so that all men are eventually forgiven by God and saved from death. It is by grace, the free gift of God, and not by any deed of man, that this salvation has been worked out for us. All the Saints who truly believed, and true to the faith, in the age of Jesus, were in fact raised up to go be with the Father in heaven. This is one of the signal historical events that the Church has worked for centuries to remove from the historical record. They attempted to replace it with the 'rapture' dogma in the last century. After the end of the old world order the remainder of nations were 'cast into the lake of fire' for 'an age of ages' to be tested. The word there for 'torment' means 'testing' and not 'torture.' The lake of fire is a metaphor of the refiner's crucible, which is why brimstone is present. It is a refiner's fire to burn away the dross and refine out the pure gold. God takes men with corrupt hearts and by the power of His Spirit he refines their hearts to produce hearts of gold. This is the meaning of the crucible of fire. The wicked experience it as wrath. The righteous experience it as correction and love. God tries the hearts of men and burns away the dross. It has nothing to do with torture. The lake of fire is part of God saving mankind, by casting those nations who rejected him into the power of the beast and the false prophet (the world religious, economic, and political order). And we are in fact, in this age, in the lake of fire, watching the smoke of the harlot's burning ascend upward. We see the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth coming from these false Christian apostles and their mind-control cult victims. The lake of fire is not a place. It is an age of ages. The beast and false prophet are not people. They are systems of authority. The anti-christ is not a literal man. It is an office of authority that claims the authority of Christ. Many men have occupied that office in this age of ages. The President of a country is an office. A man is elected to the office. When the man leaves office, the office of the President remains, and another man is elected to the office. The Presidential office is the official man, symbolized by the image of a man. The office itself is the 'man' to which scripture refers. The office of the Papacy is the seat of the anti-christ. The Papacy itself, and not the man serving in the office, is the anti-christ. When he passes away another man is chosen to occupy the seat, and so the office of the anti-christ remains. Christ teaches the same state of authority for those who believe in Him. He said, "To him that overcomes will I grant to set down in my throne with me even as I have overcome and am set down in my Father's throne." Those who overcame occupy the same office as Jesus, being made priests and kings forever after the order of Melchizedek. In the same way there are many anti-christs in the world, all tracing their origin to the doctrines of the office of the papacy. Thus the harlot symbolized by Judea and Rome has daughters. The anti-christ rules over the conscience of other men with lies about a false torture chamber under a giant volcano. The Pharisees pick and choose biblical metaphors that suit their mythical notions, then interpret them literally, to jibe with their notions. They have no understanding of the poetical features of the scripture or of the clear allegorical teachings. Isaiah 46:9-10 tells us exactly what is meant by the books of Moses, why they were written, and who they were written for. Christian cultists just cannot accept this. They stick to their notion that the Law of Moses was written only for the Jews. This is totally false. It was written binding the Jews by law, to show all the nations what God was doing, with the Jews as the example, but the example is for everyone to learn from. It appears they are still disputing over the body of Moses to this age. "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the THINGS THAT ARE NOT YET DONE, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure ... " Paul the Apostle also tells us who the books of Moses were written for and why: "For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an ALLEGORY: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." Take careful heed that Paul says the story of Abraham and Isaac is an allegory. Allegory is the OPPOSITE of literal. It is NOT a history lesson. It is a prophecy, just as Isaiah 46:10 tells us. The Old Testament is about the Lord Jesus and his Congregation of the New Covenant. The Old Testament and the New Testament are two witnesses with the same testimony, first to those in bondage, and then to those freeborn of the Spirit. Modern Christiandumb is totally clueless about the gospel. Their gospel of eternal fire or annihilation for 99.9% of humanity is not good news. It is a monstrous lie. -- Nightbulb https://blog.nightbulb.net Flip the night switch.