Path: paganini.bofh.team!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.mixmin.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "NightBulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.bible,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.messianic,alt.religion.christian.catholic Subject: Re: You can't keep the law. Followup-To: alt.bible Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 22:06:25 -0600 Organization: Mixmin Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 04:06:17 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net; posting-host="358849ba9fb9a611ffd5cb94017cb0b8bca391b8"; logging-data="548686"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@mixmin.net" Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.atheism:4773924 alt.christnet.christianlife:1037734 alt.bible:653062 alt.bible.prophecy:744845 alt.messianic:513878 alt.religion.christian.catholic:5021 On 11/27/22 16:31, Dr. Who wrote: > On Nov 27, 2022, Michael McLean wrote > (in article ): > >> You can't keep the law anymore than you can follow all scripture. >> >> What? You keep your preference, and leave the rest? And that gets a pass? >> >> "If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them." >> >> You are either the fulfillment of them or you are still in your sin. >> >> Mike > > Instead of admitting your error on a previous post you come up with this? > > What a shame. You multiplied your error twenty fold, and then added to it. > > Who was under the Law? It was the Jew, not the Gentile. Had you knowledge of > scripture you would have seen that. By one man sin and death came upon all nations, not just upon the Jews. "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:" The nations (gentiles) were always under the curse of the transgression of Adam. It was the law of Moses that made the death penalty take effect, and paved the way for Jesus to remove the curse. Until the law of Moses came to effect the sentence, sentence was delayed. Then the indictment was nailed to the cross. Jesus saved all men, not just the followers of Moses. Jesus atoned for the transgression of Adam, not just the transgression of the Mosaic law. The Mosaic law made sin abound, so that mercy could abound. God did not want to play favorites. He wanted everyone back, not just a few. He gets what he wants. God does not need your help to save souls. By pretending to this effort you are making a mockery of grace. > “For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things > contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto > themselves:” (Rom 2:14, KJV) You omit the rest of this chapter, which runs counter to your conclusions: "Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision." In other words keeping the law is the impossible, nonsensical effort of hypocrites. And it is so obviously hypocritical that the Gentiles see these lawkeepers keeping their precious 'law' and blaspheme the God of the Jews on account of their hypocrisy. The self-righteousness of "law keepers" or "bible keepers" spreads sin far and wide! Judaism and Christianity have produced more atheists and weirdos than any thing. People who have a shred of conscience cannot stomach the hypocrisy and thus throw out the baby with the bathwater and reject the faith entirely. Those claiming to keep God's law are LIARS: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." The true law-keeper and follower of the bible is not someone who keeps it in letter but rather one who follows after the Spirit: "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." > The Mosaic Law had specified blessings and curses attached. Not so with the > Gentiles who had the law of God written in their hearts, which many call > their conscience. Which is the thing Michael has been saying, to follow the heart instead of a book, for which you call him a devil. If the law of God is written on my heart, I don't need some self-important, self-righteous "teacher of the law" telling me how to know God. You are not the judge of who does or doesn't know God. None of your purity tests or litmus tests have anything to do with the will of God. You want to examine to see how well people have washed their cup, but you only look at the outside of the cup and not the inside. "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." > Those who follow Judaism are under the law, to fulfill the whole law in its > entirety or die a sinner. Why? Because if the only broke on law in their > entire life they are guilty of sin unto death. Spiritual death as there is no > forgiveness for that sin through the sacrifices of animals as prescribed bt > Law, Only through the shed blood of Christ can they be forgiven and redeemed. Nobody is under the law any more. The Law of Moses was abolished by Jesus. Those who demand obedience to some rule book are under a curse of their own blindness, but not the law, for the curse of the law was removed by Jesus. The gates of Hades did not prevail. Your own self-will cannot put you under a curse that was already put to death! The law of Moses was a schoolmaster to show the futility of man-made righteousness. Then real righteousness came, saw, and took names. > Therefor now only through the shed blood of Jesus can anyone be forgiven of > their sins. Past, present, and future sins. This is for the Jew and the > Gentile alike. The curse that you level at men is taken away. All men already have been forgiven by the intercession of Jesus Christ. He even told his Father to forgive the men who nailed him to the cross. There is nothing more that needs to be done. Every man will be punished for his own transgressions now, or forgiven for his transgressions, in whatever way God sees fit, but the punishment of permanent spiritual death is gone, and is no longer on the table. Either God is all-powerful and has prevailed, and has reconciled mankind to Himself, or God is not all-powerful and your Roman devil has prevailed by binding 99.9% of mankind to himself. Choose one. > There is nothing to support your claim that one must follow all the scripture > or die. You, of all people, should be grateful for that, since you say others > should toss their bibles and for find God on the streets. That is how people > sear their conscience and start walking freely in sin, thinking falsely that > they are just hunky dory. Then they die an everlasting death. Everyone already is freely walking in sin. Why do you think they are mortal and dying? Paul said the law of Moses was given so that sin could abound! Why would God do that? "Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:" Nobody dies an everlasting death. That is Imperial Rome speaking to terrorize people into submission to their religious and political authority. "For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)" Death and hell are swallowed up in victory. The doctrine of everlasting death is nonsense. All men are to be reconciled to God the Father. Every filthy, stinking sinner who ever lived will be resurrected to life. Every thief, robber, murderer, prostitute, moron, liar, will have his reckoning and bend the knee and confess to the Father. The Devil will have exactly zero souls in his little volcano torture chamber. Men like you will be flabbergasted at the kind of people that God is going to bring into his Kingdom--people you are certain should be burning at the stake forever. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way." You use the bible as a stumbling block, the same way the Pharisees used the Old Testament books as a stumbling block. Every knee will bow to God the Father, and every tongue will confess their sins to him, and all will be judged by Him, not by you, not by some religious credo or biblical litmus test. > You would be wise to study hard, the first 8 or 9 chapters of Romans, and do > so in concert with the Book of 1 John, all of it. So as to get a clear > understanding of sin, forgiveness, for ones daily walk with the Lord. Nobody needs your wisdom or study plans. You are not important. No man is important in God's grand scheme, except for Jesus. "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD ..." > Even if you are not born again this should benefit you greatly if you ask God > for his help in understanding it as you read through the passages. There is no benefit of studying the scripture to those who are not born again. Such is like giving a toddler a bazooka to play with. God knows where the blind are--in the ditch. He knows how to lift them up out of the ditch. He will do so on His own time table, not on yours. > But I write this mainly to offset the spiritual lies you have said here so > that others might now right from wrong and how to find the truths of the > matter. "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." God put the serpent in the garden to do this very thing, and does not need your help in the matter. Nobody needs your help to see right from wrong. Physician heal thyself! Stop being obsessed with horizontal sin and be obsessed with upright grace! -- Nightbulb https://blog.nightbulb.net Flip the night switch.