Path: paganini.bofh.team!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "NightBulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.bible Subject: Re: What was Adam's sin? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 13:44:22 -0500 Organization: Flip the night switch. Lines: 79 Message-ID: References: <28liaidnglblsn23cqilfajiudie7l55vt@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 18:41:59 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ccdd8c8eca49535d071b8fdd07aae355"; logging-data="1924574"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18QwgBeDGG9D7LXZ0B7Pw+WIU9HVnay6+M=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:kHf9dR7oJ4cM7xDEczxXFF+lUiQ= Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.bible:659837 On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 14:00:11 +0000 Mitchell Holman wrote: > > Another sin was that of disobedience. He and she were plainly told > > the consequences if they ate that forbidden fruit. But they > > disobeyed anyway. > > > > Wrong. > > God told Adam not to eat from the tree. > Eve had not even been created yet. His warning > was to Adam, about Adam. > > > > > Thus Adam forfeited eternal life for themselves and their offspring > > to come. > > > But Eve was punished ("pains of childbirth") > for violating a rule God never told her about. Eve had been told and knew: "And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die." Either you didn't bother to read Genesis, or, you knowingly lied about its contents. You should humbly take correction, if truth is your aim. Otherwise we may know and adjudge that dishonesty is your suit. If you are going to criticize a text and its meaning, surely you should have first read it and been conversant with its content, before giving an ill-informed opinion. Fair enough? Which will it be, Mr. Holman? Will you continue in your false pride, and brazenly refuse to confess that you lied? Or will you admit that you are a critic on a subject about which you are ill-informed? The decision balances between false pride and humility. I will post under a separate thread what the symbols in Genesis represent. They are symbols, and the writer never intended for them to be taken literally. The literalist interpretation of Christians is a product of ancient pagan and Pharisaical influence, not the intent of the writers. You could continue in the same vein of the usual Usenet malcontents and derelicts, with snappy and meaningless retorts, barbs, insults, ineffectual gotchas, diminutive slanders, false imputations, assumptions, presumptions, and other impish behaviors. Or you could realize that the truth is staring you in the face and is able to be illuminated in humility. It is OK to admit you lied. All men are liars, Mr. Holman. The bible plainly tells us this. Man gets an idea in his head then forms an agenda and worldview based on his wrong idea. He commits himself to a lie and invests his time and energy into it, building a momentum in the wrong direction. Then a man runs full steam ahead projecting his own delusions in speech. But the man of justice, pauses when he is called to account for his mistake, and he seeks to remedy his wrong. You, sir, have slandered the book of Genesis with a false statement. You said God punished Eve for something she didn't know about. Yet Eve's own words say that she knew full well that it was forbidden to eat of or touch the tree of knowledge. Will you correct your error? These Usenet discussions are not just about points of fact, agreements, or disagreements. They are a revelation of men's character. One great aim the scripture is to reveal God's character to man, and to reveal man's character to himself so that man will learn to judge himself instead of waiting for God to judge. What character of man are you? -- NightBulb | https://nightbulb.net | Flip the night switch.