Path: paganini.bofh.team!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.mixmin.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "NightBulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.bible Subject: Re: Two Baptisms. Choose One. Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2022 18:31:26 -0600 Organization: Mixmin Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 00:31:05 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net; posting-host="1a918d5e4b86843b7caa4468a5b6fe8bcb676956"; logging-data="3468573"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@mixmin.net" Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.bible:653416 On 12/4/22 18:06, NightBulb.net wrote: > On 12/4/22 16:15, Dr. Who wrote: >> On Dec 4, 2022, NightBulb.net wrote >> (in article ): >> >>> On 12/4/22 15:06, Michael McLean wrote: >>>> It is right in front of you. The scriptures did make our hearts burn, >>>> it was HIS PRESENCE. >>> >>> Amen! The 'heart burns' from Him who baptizes with the fire of the Holy >>> Spirit. >>> >>> Eating a bible would give a different kind of heart burn. >>> >>> Maybe that's why your religious 'friends' are so grouchy! >> >> And they said to one another, Was not our heart continually burning >> within us >> as He was talking with us along the road, as He expounded to us the >> scriptures? .... >> >> And they themselves kept on rehearsing the things along the road and >> how He >> was made known to them by the breaking of the bread. >> All of which shows the importance of Christ, the Risen Saviour, as >> well as >> the scriptures which spoke of Him and the future. >> >> Jesus promised Holy Spirit would do likewise for those that are Born >> Again >> today. > > Receiving the Holy Spirit is being born again by grace and faith. > > Faith comes by hearing. > > When faith comes to an open ear then grace abounds. > > Then a man is washed in the blood of the Living Word, simply by hearing > the Name of Jesus Christ. > > I elaborated on this in a former post on baptism to counter the mistaken > religion of the Jehovah's Witnesses. They, like most modern Churches, > are a cult of Judaizers who by twisting scripture, add works of the Law > to the grace of God, and make the good news of Jesus Christ of no > effect. Their church doctrines have no power to cleanse a corrupt heart > of sin. The name of Jesus Christ sanctifies the heart and makes it clean. > > The Name of Jesus Christ is POWER. It is the only power that can raise > the dead to life. To add anything to His name, to place any other > authority, such as the law of Moses, or a Church credo, or a Ordnung, or > a prefab confession of faith, as an additional burden upon the hearer, > is to deny the true good news and is the preaching of another gospel. > Many churches do this with their doctrine of water baptism. > > There are two kinds of baptism. But you must choose only one. To the > believer in Jesus, there are not two baptisms, but one: "One Lord, one > faith, one baptism ..." > > The baptism of the Holy Spirit comes by hearing and believing the good > news. Here I shall show what the whole point of the bible is from cover > to cover. Those lost souls who hear (understand) this message, and > believe it, shall be converted from death to life. It is not my message, > or my words, but the message of the faith of Jesus, delivered to us once > and for all. > > John came in the wilderness to prepare the Israelites for Messiah by > baptizing them in water for remission of sins. > > Once the leaders of Israel fully rejected Christ and stoned Stephen, the > gates to the Kingdom were shut to Israel, and the time of the Gentiles > began. No longer was water baptism for the remission of sins required, > because those who administered the law of Moses were in complete > apostasy and Judea had filled up the measure of her sin. Stephen > testified that Jesus was standing beside the throne of the Father. > Notice that Jesus was standing, meaning he was ready to MOVE into action. > > Salvation comes strictly by hearing and believing. The bible is > profitable for reproof and correction, but it does not save, nor can it > save without faith in the finished work of Jesus. > > The bible is not about rules for living. It is not about checking a list > of requirements for salvation. It is a testimony of the work and POWER > of Jesus Christ. From Genesis chapter one to Revelation chapter 22 the > Bible is about He who was to come to defeat death and raise mankind to > eternal life by his power as a life-giving spirit. To add any work > whatsoever, no matter how tiny a work, to the finished work of Jesus, is > to deny his work and power altogether. > > If you add the rosary, or confessional, or good works, or prayers, or > indulgences, or creedos, or confessions or water baptism to the finished > work of Jesus, you deny his work altogether. Jesus saves means just > that, twice over. You cannot mix works with grace. Either you must do > all the works of the law and never fail in a single point, or you must > rest in the grace of God to be saved. > > "(Ephesians 2:8-9) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not > of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should > boast." > > Paul the Apostle rebuked Peter the Apostle for this mistake of mixing > works with grace, after Peter continued to baptize with water. It is > recorded in the book of Acts. Peter admitted and the Apostles all > agreed, that baptism is by the Holy Spirit, and not the works of the > Law, or water. > > I have yet to find a single religious sect anywhere that does not add > some works of the law to the gospel, making the word of God of no > effect. The Church today is like the Pharisees, who by their tradition > made the word of God of no effect, hindering everyone from entering the > Kingdom of God. So although they have their bibles, and study them with > reckless abandon, like the Pharisees did, they still deny the faith by > requiring works for salvation. > > To be saved one must understand what are faith, the word, and truth. And > it is very simple. > > "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God ..." > > "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto > all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all > have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely > by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:" > > All men are guilty of sin, and the wages of sin is death. Yet men are > accounted as righteous by the faith of Jesus Christ who is the Son of > God. We are justified by his grace through the blood of Jesus Christ, > and accounted worthy of life. > > "Father sanctify them by thy word. Thy word is truth." > > His word alone, which is the testimony of the Holy Spirit, sanctifies > us. Knowing this, we preach the good news that Jesus Christ baptizes us > with his blood, and was baptized into death for us: > > "But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the > cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized > with?" > > The water baptism of John was preparing Jesus for his death and burial > and resurrection. > > Many Christians today teach the baptism of John. This is a great error > and adds a work of the law to grace. > > Many Christians today read the scripture and say that the bible says you > must do this or must do that ... adding more works of law to grace, > making the cross of no effect. > > Either Jesus was an effectual sacrifice, or he was not. There is no > middle ground on this matter. > > Are men saved by obeying the bible, or are men saved by hearing the > testimony of the Holy Spirit? It is one or the other. > > This is the great power of the word of God, that just by hearing it, > truly HEARING it, a man is immediately saved: > > "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them > which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were > astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles > also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost." > > These Gentiles were immediately saved in that moment and became sons of > God merely by hearing Peter speak the good news. Peter had the power by > faith, by his belief in the finished work of Jesus Christ, to baptize > men with the Holy Ghost simply by telling them the good news. > > This is what it meant to go to the nations and baptize them in the name > of Jesus Christ. It had nothing to do with dunking anyone in water, or > doing some work of the law, or bringing forth fruit offerings meet for > repentance, or any of that Old Covenant stuff. > > Peter merely preached the good news, and the Holy Ghost swarmed upon the > crowd and converted them from death to life in an instant. > > This is the Gospel. This is speaking truth with power. > > He that has ears to hear, and hears and believes on the Son shall never > die. Do you believe this? > > After this miraculous conversion, Peter made a mistake. He then > commended these people who had just received the Holy Spirit to be > baptized in water, AFTER they had just been saved! > > "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have > received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be > baptized in the name of the Lord." > > Peter made a BIG faux paux here, as ONLY Jews under the Law of Moses > were to be baptized by water. Water baptism was PROHIBITED to those who > were not under the circumcision. That was the LAW. And a lot of > Christians take this mistake that Peter made, and use it to prop up > their modern doctrines on water baptism, which is a work of the law. And > Paul rebuked Peter for this at Antioch: > > "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, > because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he > did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and > separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. And the > other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was > carried away with their dissimulation. But when I saw that they walked > not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter > before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of > Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to > live as do the Jews?" > > Peter, why are you telling these Gentiles to do the works of the Jewish > law! Stop it! Paul continued: > > "We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, Knowing > that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of > Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be > justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for > by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified ..." > > By the works of the law [water] no one is justified. Period. > > We saw earlier that the Gentiles were saved and filled with the Holy > Spirit the moment the believed the gospel. That is the baptism of the > Holy Ghost. > > Peter recounted the events in question and said: > > "And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the > beginning. Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, > John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy > Ghost." > > You cannot mix the Law with grace, not even with something as small as > washings and water baptism. It is one or the other. If you are going to > be a law keeper or "obey the bible" then you must keep every jot and > tittle of it. The Apostles address this fact in the same meeting: > > Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which > believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command > them to keep the law of Moses. > > Peter said that they should not, that they were saved only by believing > and not by the law, and even declared that the Jews were also saved in > the same way. [1] Quoted from Reference 1 below. > > "And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto > them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made > choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of > the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them > witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no > difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now > therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the > disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we > believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be > saved, even as they." > > Here the Apostle says: > > 1. They were saved merely by hearing the good news, in that instant. > 2. God knows their hearts and bore witness that their hearts were clean. > 3. Their hearts were purified by grace alone, through faith alone. > 4. Requiring circumcision or water baptism is the yoke of the law. > 5. None of the Israelites were ever able to bear that yoke or keep it. > 6. Strictly through the grace of Jesus we are saved. No. works. at. all. > > Paul shows us what baptism in the Name of Jesus means: > > "And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, > Unto John’s baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the > baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe > on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they > heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." > > The were baptized in the NAME, as soon as they heard, not in a pool of > water. The prior baptism of John did not save them.  As soon as they > heard the good news, they were immediately baptized in the power of the > NAME of Jesus and immediately saved. Paul did not lead them to a pool > and dunk them again. By hearing, they were baptized. > > "He that hath an ear to hear ... let him hear ..." > > "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews > or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink > into one Spirit." > > We are baptized now in the Spirit, not in water. Water baptism is > unscriptural and unprofitable for believers in Jesus Christ. > > Jesus said: "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth > nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are > life." > > Washing your body in water cannot make you spiritually clean. The flesh > profiteth NOTHING. > > "One Lord, one faith, ONE baptism." (not two baptisms) > > So which baptism do you want? Do you want to clean your body, or your > heart? Since the scripture says there is only one baptism men must > choose ONE. I know which one was chosen for me. > > Glory to God, and his Son Jesus Christ, whose name has the power to > grant eternal life to them that hear it and believe. Glory to God and > his Son Jesus Christ, whose words alone have the power to cleanse the > heart of man and make it sanctified by his grace. > > "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel > to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but > he that believeth not shall be damned." > > "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the > gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were > sealed with that holy Spirit of promise ..." > > "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." > > "(John 15:3) Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto > you." > > His word makes us clean of sin. His word saves us. > > He that has ears to hear, and hears and believes on the Son of God is > baptized in his name and by his blood and shall never die. Do you > believe this? > > If you heard this message, and truly understood it, and truly believe > it, you are raised from death to life, and you have eternal life, and no > one and no thing can ever take it from you. This is what it means to be > baptized in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord. You do not have to say a > 'sinner's prayer' or answer a 'altar call' or 'turn over a new leaf' or > 'change your ways' or 'repent of sins' or any of that Pharisaical, > religious nonsense. All you must do is hear the good news and believe on > the Name of Jesus Christ and you will be saved and raised from death to > life. > > There is no need to fear the religious nonsense pouring out of the > Churches. They want to draw men into the law of Moses to condemn them. > We have more religion and more Churches than you can shake a stick at, > yet a famine for the word of God in the land. The one spiritual drink, > the one spiritual bread for our hunger, is the name of Jesus Christ. > > If we eat of this bread, and drink of this water, we shall never hunger > or thirst again. I neglected a reference herein, which is a excellent article worth reading twice: [1] https://www.followintruth.com/the-truth-about-water-baptism And a really in-depth page on the subject of water baptism and how the churches are in error with a video sermon near the top, and more article below the videos section. https://www.faithinhisblood.org/water-baptism-not-for-today.html -- Nightbulb | https://blog.nightbulb.net | Flip the night switch. If tacky red hats annoy Pharisees I want to buy hats for the whole town.