Path: paganini.bofh.team!eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!news.mixmin.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "NightBulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.bible Subject: Re: True Religion Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 22:28:11 -0600 Organization: Mixmin Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 05:47:04 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net; posting-host="35ccbc5c9accf3be11681c233a31b48b7dd3ff6a"; logging-data="2848539"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@mixmin.net" Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.bible:653973 On 11/30/22 11:27, zebra2@windstream.net wrote: > On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 05:12:05 -0600, "NightBulb.net" > wrote: > >> "Religion is not 'doctrinal knowledge,' but wisdom born of personal >> experience." >> >> ~ Martin Luther > > He got that backwards. It should have read: > > 'Religion is not wisdom born of personal experience, but is from > doctrinal knowledge.' (that is inspired of God. 2 Tim 3:16) Said like a good Orthodox Catholic! You say well, sir, having convinced me that you are a Catholic of Catholics! You have taken the letter to Timothy out of context and applied it to a subject different than the subject it addressed. You do this sort of thing often. It's called "cherry-picking" and it is deceptive. "And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us." "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." Having the senses exercised means gaining experience. They already had the scriptures, yet Paul says this is not enough. Man needs to first be indwelt with the Spirit, then second have his senses exercised so he can learn to hear, comprehend, and follow the teaching of the Spirit. You don't learn this from doctrine. A man learns this from experience, struggle, suffering, and tribulation for the sake of the truth. It is you who have the cart before the horse. I've warned you before that you are not my teacher. You first have need to learn the first principles of the gospel. Deification of scripture is deification of one's own learning through the filter of one's own understanding. Thus said Luther: "Religion is not 'doctrinal knowledge,' but wisdom born of personal experience." Doctrine is teaching, which is what the babes get. It is the milk. Meat is having one's spiritual senses exercised by experience. Martin Luther is correct, and your statement is not. Or is your JW cult belief is much greater than Martin Luther, who saved the world from centuries more of bloody Catholic purges with his sparking of the reformation and world-wide resistance to Roman power? One more time, James: you are not my teacher and you have nothing to teach me. I have heard all of your cult lies a zillion times. Your church is a spiritual brothel and it is not approved by the Creator. -- Nightbulb https://blog.nightbulb.net Flip the night switch.