Path: paganini.bofh.team!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.mixmin.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nightbulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.bible,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.religion.roman-catholic Subject: Re: The Witchtower Society Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2022 14:53:14 -0500 Organization: Mixmin Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2022 19:52:29 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net; posting-host="1097e40aef38976c8d9deac012386751ab88685d"; logging-data="290744"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@mixmin.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.9.1 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.bible:648219 alt.christnet.christianlife:1020002 alt.religion.roman-catholic:305 On 7/19/22 22:04, Robert wrote: > Which renders your thoughts about God being in all men so that they can look > inside yo see him as total error. > > You are a false teacher. 1. You are a false accuser. 2. I do not claim to be a teacher. I am just a man having a discussion. 3. It is you who pretends to be a teacher. I am debunking your teaching. I debunk the lie that the church ever had the oracles of God, because the church is a den of iniquity, and it is the Greco-Roman solar cult of Apollo and Hades. 4. I have been repeatedly telling you and people like you to stop pretending to teach because you got it wrong and you are sowing confusion. The church and its traditions are anti-christ. 5. You ignored the fact that you spoke directly contrary to the scripture you pretend to teach. 6. I did not say that God is in all men. I said he is in those who are regenerated under the new covenant, and I gave many scriptures that say exactly this. You ignored all that scripture and went on with your high and holy church teaching trying to explain why the bible is false and Robert's church dogma is the real truth and anyone who disagrees with Robert's ideas is a false teacher. 7. So you have erected a strawman, then used that strawman to vilify me with false accusation. You have put words in my mouth, words that I did not say, then accused me based on your imagination. Your strawman is a lie. Robert wrote: > No man is born with God or the spirit of God inside, All men are born > is and of evil. > There is a god in men, that being the god of this earth, Satan. There > is no good in him. Anyone that speaks otherwise is of Satan. But scripture says the opposite of what Robert wrote: "And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he _shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb_ ..." (Luke 1:14-15) "... the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb." (Luke 1:41-42) "... And all they that heard them laid them up in their hearts, saying, What manner of child shall this be! And the hand of the Lord was with him." (Luke 1) The scripture plainly says that John the Baptist was filled with the Spirit even before he was born. John was neither conceived in iniquity nor was he indwelt with the devil, as we quote Robert saying. Robert side-stepped this with his strawman argument. It is Robert that pretends to be a teacher, and teaches falsely, then ignores his own contradictions when they are exposed. When Robert accuses he is speaking of his own, or projecting. Robert said plainly that no man is born with the holy Spirit dwelling in him. Yet scripture plainly says a man was born with the indwelling of the Spirit. Robert said that little children are born indwelt with Satan, yet the scripture says they are innocent, and their later guilt or innocence is predicated on the will of God in manifesting either good or evil as he sees fit. The scripture teaches that man is clay in the potter's hand. The church tradition teaches that God is man's tool, a genie in a bottle that grants wishes if you say the right words. A man could spend all his waking hours responding to the church's and Robert's false accusations, and never clear his desk of them. "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." (Rev 12) The dragon that speaks as the lamb is the Christian religion. The Christian religion is the accuser of the brethren. It accuses men day and night based on its lies and delusions. It denies that the blood of Jesus was shed for all men, and instead teaches that Jesus blood only covers a few sins approved by the Church religion. Recap: Robert says no man is born with the Holy Spirit. Scripture says John was born full of the Spirit, even from the womb. Robert says men are born indwelt with Satan. Scripture says men are born into the law of sin by way of Adam, but does NOT say they are indwelt with Satan. The traitor Judas is a clear example of this: "Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve." All this time and scripture does not speak of Satan dwelling in anyone or of little babies being born indwelt with Satan. Someone had to betray Jesus to bring about God's plan, so it was Satan doing the deed. Robert says babies are indwelt with Satan. Scripture says babies are innocent, as yet incapable of fulfilling the predestined purposes God has for them. Even the sinful human heart can sense and adore the innocence of infants, who have done no evil, nor can do any evil in their innocent and helpless state. Robert says, "Anyone that speaks otherwise is of Satan." Scripture speaks otherwise. I expect Robert to continue with his bile and crank, and avoid confessing that he told a lie. He would rather prop up strawman sentences that I did not say, then accuse me of saying them, then conclude anathemas upon me for what he himself is saying. We ought to ask Robert, "Which Satan are you referring to?" Is it the dragon that speaks as a lamb? The bottomless pit is the Greco-Roman Hades. The Church is a Greco-Roman Imperial death cult that rose up out of the Greco-Roman pit. The doctrine of the church is the fire that the Roman church dragon breathes. The Dragon impersonates (anti-christ) the Lamb. Satan deceives men by wearing a Jesus costume. The Greco-Roman fake church system relies upon psychological fear and terror to rob men of their money and freedom, to exercise authority over them. Thus they train you up from Childhood to "fear the flame" which means "obey your masters or burn." Jesus and the Apostles never established this nonsense. They established the opposite of what the Hades cult promotes: "Upon this rock I will build my ekklesia [not 'church'] and the gates of _Hades_ shall not prevail against it." The rock is the Holy Spirit. Neither the bible nor a priest caste are the rock. The rock is God's spirit, and the flock of Jesus is established on this foundation, and no other. The gates of hades is the Greco-Roman idea of the gate that imprisons the dead in the 'underworld.' Jesus said these gates shall not prevail, meaning the dead shall not remain imprisoned in the underworld, but shall escape by the work of Jesus. The Roman church cult keeps the dead imprisioned behind the gates (church dogma) so they cannot go out of the church and be alive in Christ. The Roman dragon has many agents that speak like Robert. He likely learned his dogmatic ideas from them. Their sole purpose is to sow doctrinal confusion and contradiction to undermine belief in the scripture. This is achieved by endless and unnecessary debate, dissembling, and distraction. The chief goal of the Church is to cause men to lose beleif and understanding in scripture so they will instead obey Church leadership instead of moving on to be lead of the Spirit. They do this by maintaining endless contention and disputation over the scripture, so that people don't know what to believe and will have difficulty sorting fact from fiction. To allay such confusion I will spell out the truth: Mankind rebelled against God, and fell into mortality. God loves mankind and is not willing that a single soul should perish. So God sent his Son to take away the sins of the world. His Son died for ALL sins, and wiped the slate clean for all who believe on the Son. Those who didn't believe on the Son in that age were cast into an age of fire and brimstone (today), to be forged by God until they are ready to believe. Then all men, both saints and the unbelievers, will be raised from the dead and re-united to be judged by God. God will reward all men according to the deeds done in the flesh during the ages of trial in fire. The dragon (religion) will be no more. All men will inherit resurrected bodies in which there is no sin nature, and will live forever. In the end not a single soul of men will be lost. All who went on to destruction shall be restored, and will have learned the goodness and mercy of God from the horrible experience. No one will ever speak a word against God and his authority from that time forever. All men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. There will be no competent fact witness in the day of judgement to accuse anyone, hence men will only be judged by the words from their own mouths! The religious will speak words of glowing praise about their own Christian piety. The redeemed will speak humble and remorseful words about the goodness of God in forgiving their sins. This is how men will be judged, by their own words! Those who know they have nothing to boast about in their own works will receive the greater glory in heaven. Those who were full of their own righteousness the lesser glory--the proud being servants to the meek and humble. -- Nightbulb https://blog.nightbulb.net Flip the night switch