Path: paganini.bofh.team!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!eZKXTfrOTbjkJXWLptCv3Q.user.46.165.242.91.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nightbulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.bible Subject: Re: The JW religion of self-righteousness. Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 01:58:37 -0500 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <81oikht9n7t0ckst862drejf23qsl4lk9h@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="5949"; posting-host="eZKXTfrOTbjkJXWLptCv3Q.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org"; User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.4.0 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2 Content-Language: en-US Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.bible:652357 On 11/1/22 10:40, zebra2@windstream.net wrote: > On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 13:04:47 -0500, "Nightbulb.net" > wrote: > >> On 10/27/22 05:09, John Ritson wrote: >>> No, you use the distorted JW version of the Bible, basically written by >>> Fred Franz, the man responsible for the claim that Armageddon was due in >>> 1975. >> >> Armageddon, so-called, happened in the years 66-70 anno domini. >> >> The old heaven and earth of the temple passed away, and the new, >> established on the new covenant, was firmly established in its place. >> >> 66-70 anno domini ushered in the age of fire and brimstone, in which >> those outside the covenant are burned by fire, and the devil and his >> angels were cast for an age of ages. >> >> Mankind is now almost 2000 years into this age of ages. The idea of >> Armageddon being a future event is from a misunderstanding of the >> scripture, and the pride of man seeking to justify his religion. >> >> Jesus said, "Every man will be salted by fire." There's the good fire >> and the painful fire. > > What religion gives you that information? It is certainly unusual. And > how do you regard the Bible? Read and understand. If you claim to believe the bible, then start actually reading what it says, and believe it. It is not unusual. It is what all followers of Jesus believed in the first century. The church came along and banned the true faith, replacing it with the Roman cult. As long as you continue to hang on to a organized and incorporated religious sect, you remain under the skirt of Babylon. Jesus Christ is the Son of the Most High Jehovah. He is Jehovah in human form. He took on flesh and dwelt with us in the flesh. He did so to free us from the flesh because we do not have the power to free ourselves. Mankind rebelled against God before mankind was in mortal flesh. The rebellion, the turning of the mind away from the Father, is what gendered the lawless flesh which became man's prison. This is why one day each man will stand in the resurrection in flesh that is not a prison, in a new body that is able to carry out the will of the Spirit without restriction. "Who will deliver me from this body of death?" All men sinned and fell short of the glory of God. God will save all men. There is no eternal hellfire or eternal annihilation. God wants them all back and he will have them all back. Every one of them is infinitely precious to Him. The early Christians called this apocastatasis, the restoration of all creatures. The apostles talked about it several times in the epistles. "He hath concluded all under sin that he might show mercy to ALL." Everyone is going to be saved. Jesus already returned to exact vengeance on the nations of the old world, and broke the nations to pieces, and judged the old world. Rome ran amok destroying, and Judea was crushed, broken, and exterminated between 66-70 a.d. Then in time Rome began to fall apart, and Rome and Judea's aristocracy being Egypt, was swallowed up in the Red Sea (the nations) and the Roman aristocracy became dispersed among the nations, 'swallowed up in the sea.' Only Noah (Christians) and those in the ark (the nations of Christians) survived the flood (judgement and destruction of war), to be brought to Adam (Jesus) and given names. Only the Christian was found suitable as a help meet. The aristocracy instead slithered around on its belly, eating the dust of the earth (the nations). The beasts in the ark are the nations. Then Noah and the beasts went out of the ark and re-settled the land, and the nations (beasts) grew again and spread out over the face of the earth. The serpent (Rome, Egypt, Babylon, Judea) is there in the midst of the garden of nations, telling them, "ye shall not surely die" while this serpent orchestrates wars to kill men by the bushel. The garden of Eden, Noah and the Ark, Abraham and Isaac, Moses and Israel, the brazen serpent in the wilderness, Jacob and Esau, David and Saul, are all parables of prophecy, about what was going to happen at the time Jesus came into the world, and what is now continuing to happen today. The creation of Genesis 1:1 is a prophecy, that began with Jesus at the cross. The parables of the Old Testament are all telling the same story as Revelation, each with its own allegories. As long as you keep reading it as a physical history you will never understand the bible. "I will do no thing unless I first declare it from the mouths of my servants the prophets, sayeth the Lord." Nobody is paying attention. The Old Testament is the prophecy that Jehovah declared, and his prophets wrote it down. Two witnesses preach in the streets of Judea for 3 and one half days (3.5 thousand years). The two witnesses are the Old and New Covenants. The witnesses are slain (re-interpreted to be as non-existent). The people give gifts to celbrate the death of the witnesses (Christmas every year). Then many centuries later, it began to happen, the new creation of the new heaven and new earth, at the cross with Jesus of Nazareth, and later with the American revolution, the idea that God the Father, and not a 'divine bloodline' is the source of law and national identity. "Remember the former things of old, the things NOT YET DONE (the books of Moses), I will make it happen, I will surely make it come to pass ...." (Isaiah 46:10) Here Jehovah tells us that the "former things of old" have not yet happened! Then he says he will make them happen, he will surely make those things come to pass. Jehovah / Jesus tells us that he and his prophets speak in parables: "Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;" "And utter a parable unto the rebellious house, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Set on a pot, set it on, and also pour water into it:" "I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp." "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world." "Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." "Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face toward the south, and drop thy word toward the south, and prophesy against the forest of the south field; And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein. And all flesh shall see that I the LORD have kindled it: it shall not be quenched. Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?" The forest and the trees are the nations to which the prophecy pertains. The fire is the consuming and unquenchable fire of God that will sweep through them. It is the fire of truth and judgment, not a literal fire. Just as the forest of the south is nations, the trees of the garden of Eden are the nations: "The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: [Egypt/Assyria] the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him." We learn here from Jehovah's words that the trees of Eden are nations. They are not literal trees. They are metaphor, or parable representing nations. The great tree of the Assyrian is a nation in the midst of the nations, that sought to elevate itself, and for this reason will be cast down. Thus we learn that the garden of Eden, or the garden of God, is the nations of the world. The Assyrian, Esau, a counterfeit Adam, was driven out of its presence, so that it is not a dispersed nation, scattered throughout the other nations. As I have said elsewhere, the ancient Hebrew for 'garden of Eden' is 'gannon edna' and means 'fenced or bounded nations.' Eden is actually pronounced, ED-NAW, and is the root from whence comes the Greek ETNA, or ETHNOS, meaning a nation. Proto-Greek and Siniatic Hebrew shared many words, especially by way of the Phoenician, and both used the same alphabet. Hebrew borrowed extensively from near-eastern and European languages from visitors who came and went with Phoenician ships and overland routes across the Iranian plateau. A great nation, called Babylon, Assyria, or Egypt, sought to elevate itself above God and declare itself God over all other nations. Egypt developed the concept of royal bloodlines and aristoctracy, and the 'divine right of kings' to rule over the other nations. This thing Jehovah hates, because it is written that HE established the nations and set their boundaries. The Egyptians are deluded, and they believe they have a special, divine bloodline that entitles them to all the property of all the nations in the world. They consider themselves the 'master race' over all other people. They continue to teach this nonsense to their children in their occult initiations. Egypt is the occult, and rules in secret to this very day, first through the influence of the religions they created, Christianity, Buddhism, and Islam. Using the religions as a vehicle to insinuate their influence across all national boundaries, they began to capture the institutions of rulership, and converted them from national powers into governments, to rule over the minds and property of the host nations. God is going to destroy their cabal, and expose all of it. His fire is going to rage through the forest of nations and burn it up. "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:" All of this is actually happening, exactly as the Old Testament predicted it over 2500 years ago. But charlatans and religious cultists continue to think they read the bible, when they haven't a clue what the parables mean. Yet the bible defines all the symbols in its own parables very carefully, so those with discernment can see what it all means. This brings us to the Church and the religion of Christianity. Egypt's front man for Pharaoh was a high priest, called the bridge-builder, or in Latin, Pontifex. He was the 'spiritual father' of the nation or 'papa' from whence we get Pope. He is called the bridge-builder because he uses religion to create inroads to countries to conquer them by stealth. He builds metaphorical 'bridges' between nations so the aristocracy of Pharaoh can sneak in and capture the administrative agencies of nations. Their first weapon is the lie. They begin telling lies to deceive the host nation into allowing the Egyptians to establish their NGOs and Churches, temples, mosques, charities, etc. and then leverage those establishments to infiltrate the education systems and governments. They establish central banks to wield economic power, and use that economic power to extort and blackmail all the rulers into joining their cause. Then they begin creating astroturf 'liberation movements' to destablize society, start wars, and sieze all political power during the fog of war. Thus it is written that he is like a raging lion that is come to steal, kill and destroy. No Christian church ever taught you any of this because they are serving its agenda. The Christian religion led in the treason which allowed Egypt to infiltrate your nation. Jehovah warned Israel not to go back to the bondage of Egypt. Yet here we are. Here is what Jehovah is going to do about Egypt: "To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD." He is going to bring the secret black nobility down and grow the spirit of liberty to consume the nations, to eventually free them from the yoke of the Assyrian. -- Nightbulb https://blog.nightbulb.net Flip the night switch.