Path: paganini.bofh.team!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.mixmin.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nightbulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.catholic,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.bible,alt.messianic Subject: Re: "Sola scriptura" - another false Christendom doctrine - R.C. Sproul et al. Followup-To: alt.bible Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 13:42:20 -0500 Organization: Mixmin Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 19:21:30 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net; posting-host="54a6d07e9c6bb95a06c7023e4a919e159abb29a5"; logging-data="1566511"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@mixmin.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.4.0 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.atheism:4766969 alt.religion.christian.catholic:4597 alt.christnet.christianlife:1034021 alt.bible.prophecy:742919 alt.bible:652143 alt.messianic:512923 On 10/25/22 13:55, Ted wrote: > As I said, the verse is a case in point. You ignore its clear meaning > because you hold your religion above the Bible. I'm an unbeliever who > has more respect for the Bible than do most of you christers. Go back and read the book of Genesis--just the book of Genesis. As you read the book of Genesis, realize that every event in it is a prophecy. It is *not* history and the author did not write it as a primordial history of beginnings. The book of Genesis is a foretelling of the creation that Jehovah Elohim would begin with Jesus at the cross. John 1:1 in the original Greek makes this crystal clear. By this sign you may know how delusional Christians are. None of them, not one of them, knows, or understands, that the book of Genesis is not a history lesson, but is rather a future lesson. If you read Genesis, you can see that everything prophesied in it came to pass, and continues today. The book of Genesis is telling us the same story that John's Revelation tells, written many centuries after Genesis. They use different symbols and idioms, but tell the same story. The earth became without form and void and darkness was on the face of the deep ... and the spirit of God hovered over the face of the deep ... The word for 'hovered' means stirred up like a storm. It is 'ruach' referring to a rushing of wind, a symbol of the Spirit. The deep is the nations. The turbulence is the chaos of nations at war. Being without form and void means devoid of law and order or in a state of international chaos: "So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts. There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein. These wait all upon thee; that thou mayest give them their meat in due season. That thou givest them they gather: thou openest thine hand, they are filled with good. Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth." The Psalmist understood what the waters of the deep represent in Genesis. Modern Christians don't understand at all. These were common idioms in the ancient world and their meanings are clearly established in the linguistic record. Even today, more than 2700 years later, we refer to the "ship of state" and "a nation on troubled waters." Even the word, NATION, from the Latin, means the watery womb, and comes from the Greek ETHNA, meaning a sea or a people or a nation, and the Greek ETHNA comes from the Hebrew, ETNA, or EDNA, mis-pronounced in modern Hebrew as EDEN. The 'garden of Eden' in the ancient Hebrew is, 'gannon etna' and means, 'bounded nations.' Jehovah created nations and set the bounds of their habitation. "He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end." God put the man in ETNA, to tend and keep the garden (a garden of nations), to preserve law and order. God the Father views the many nations, tribes, kindreds, and tongues as a great garden and a sea, with each group of people symbolized as beasts and great men and mountains, arranged according to his plan. He generally relates to mankind on the national level, very rarely dealing directly with a single human, since his plans encompass all of mankind and the complete salvation of all. Everyone in the same boat (a nation) has to deal with God according to their national delusions and national blessings, since the nations have elevated kings for themselves, they must learn what it means to have fallible men ruling in place of the infallible rule of God's spirit. These are lessons that take many generations for the mass to learn. For a long time mankind acceded to the delusion of the divine right of kings and aristocracy, and over a long time we could see the oppressive and murderous fruit of that delusion develop. Now mankind has spent a couple centuries laboring under the new mass delusion of 'democracy' and we see its evil fruit developing and ripening. God, being patient, is allowing mankind's choices and delusional beliefs to play out to their effects and consequences. Since he intends to conduct man into an eternal life, he is patiently teaching men to endure their own errors so they will know what they have when they are raised up to life. What good will it do to raise everyone from the dead, only for half of them to go chasing new desires and delusions and fall right back into the pit? You can't talk to Christians about this because they worship a false God. I don't blame you for not believing in their false religion and their fake god. Yet there is a God, he is supernatural, he is omnipotent, he does know all things. I first knew him by faith. One day I will know him by sight because my eyes will behold him in a resurrected body with eyes that can see his form and substance. Every man will eventually travel this narrow path of death and resurrection, each in his own time, until all the nations have come out of the iron furnace of Egypt. It was necessary for God to consign all men to this state of blindness so that he could save all of them from themselves, and their own delusion and weakness, so he would not lose a single soul. That is why God lets evil happen--so he does not lose a single soul. Every soul is infinitely precious to him, and he is not willing that any should perish, even if it means they all must suffer for millions of years, in the end when all of them are rescued, not one is lost, and every one is much, much wiser for the experience. "Wicked" means "weak hearted" and refers to the heart being corrupt from weakness. God searches the hearts of men and exposes their inner weakness, for their own benefit. He has no need of man, but man can't even understand himself without the intervention of Jehovah to show him. -- Nightbulb https://blog.nightbulb.net Flip the night switch.