Path: paganini.bofh.team!tor-network!not-for-mail From: "NightBulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.bible Subject: Re: Jw vatican on shape of cross Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 22:57:44 -0500 Organization: To protect and to server Message-ID: <20231018225744.0568a66a.nospam@nightbulb.net> References: <651c4d78$0$3082$1c4686b2@news.club.cc.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team; logging-data="57654"; posting-host="JkprVgHnXFvi2yL7k/9vvQ.user.paganini.bofh.team"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team"; posting-account="9dIQLXBM7WM9KzA+yjdR4A"; Cancel-Lock: sha256:ryQg/ymz5YXkFyhhTxR1RVh26PWvBUeLEq+E0IygtIE= X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.3 X-TOR-Router: sha256:MmEwZjpkZjAwOjA6MjU1OjoyMDQ= -- Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.bible:663345 On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 01:34:13 -0400 James wrote: > All I know is that the Bible word used in the NT that the churches > translate as "cross" is "staurus" and it means a single pole. No, it does not mean a, "single pole." You are inventing this meaning and it is a lie. In Koine Greek a single pole with no cross-beam or cross-brace is called: MONOS STAUROS The Greeks prefixed it with MONOS to indicate just a pole or stake with nothing affixed cross-wise to it. You didn't know that, and you couldn't have known that, because you have an agenda and you only look for what seems to you to support your agenda. Thus you don't discover everything that contradicts and disproves your belief. Once again, James says that "staurus" means a single pole. The Greek language says, no, "stauros" means a cross, and "monos stauros" means a single pole with no cross brace. The word STAUROS by itself was always understood to be a pole or post or tree with a horizontal cross-beam or cross-brace. Thus a fence post was called a STAUROS because their is a horizontal fence rail attached to it. A ship mast was called a STAUROS because there is a horizontal sail beam or boom attached to it. And a torture cross was called a STAUROS because the Romans attached a cross-beam to it, to which the hands were nailed horizontally outstretched. You have been repeatedly proved wrong, James. STAUROS does indeed mean CROSS and has meant this from remote antiquity. For the rest who read this, there is more. I know James will not come to reason because of his agenda. But you can know for sure that James lies. The Greek STAUROS is from the earlier Proto-Indo European word, STAV, or STARV. It is also the root from which we get the Nordic and English word, STAFF and STAVE. A stave is a post or picket bound to other posts and pickets with a cross-brace. For instance when a barrel is made, the staves are pressed together and bound with a horizontal ring across them. When a fence is built the staves are cross-braced with horizontal fence rails. Even in the other languages it carried the same sense of cross-beam as did the ancient Greek. James is making stuff up and ignoring all the evidence he doesn't like. Watchtower folk etymology is an epic fail. -- NightBulb | https://nightbulb.net | Flip the night switch.