Path: paganini.bofh.team!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.mixmin.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "NightBulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.bible,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Subject: Jesus Crashed the Circus Party Followup-To: alt.bible Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 11:29:05 -0600 Organization: Mixmin Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 21:00:05 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net; posting-host="d193e872d1e24a3037ee30f47146a21e52b80d1b"; logging-data="1158702"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@mixmin.net" Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.bible:654243 alt.christnet.christianlife:1041549 alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic:1154575 On 12/22/22 13:05, Dr. Who wrote: > On Dec 22, 2022, NightBulb.net wrote > (in article ): > >> On 12/22/22 02:39, Michael McLean wrote: >>> (KJV) >>> John 5:23 >>> That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He >>> that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. >>> >>> For they are One God. >>> >>> Matthew 27:46 >>> And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, >>> Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou >>> forsaken me? >>> >>> That is the translation of man, but the revelation through the Holy >>> Spirit is, "Of Me, of Me, is My suffering." >> >> Jesus is using the standard method of teaching here to tell everyone >> witnessing his death just exactly what it is all about. In ancient Judea >> most everyone had memorized the scriptures. It was common practice to >> quote the opening sentence of a Psalm or scripture, and the learned >> audience would understand the rest of the story or implication without >> needing to hear the entire chapter. >> >> By crying out, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Jesus was >> quoting the first sentence of Psalm 22. The hearer would have been >> expected to know the rest of the verses, and understood that Jesus was >> declaring himself the Lord of creation and the fulfillment of the >> prophecy of the seed of David that will rule forever, as prophesied >> almost a thousand years earlier in Psalm 22. > > Seems you have little understanding of Prophecy. >> >> >> By saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani," Jesus was telling the onlookers >> that he was going to rise from the dead. He was not talking to the >> Father to gripe about his situation. By saying, "My God, my God, why >> have you forsaken me?" Jesus was talking to us. He wasn't saying that he >> felt God had turned his back on him or let him down. He was employing >> the scriptural term of art because not even for one second did he doubt >> that the Father would raise him up from the grave. > > He had already spoken that he was to rise from the dead numerous times and in > varied direct ways.There are no "artsy spiritual ways", there was no art in > his manner of judgment, beating, mocking and crucifixion as it was all deadly > serious business. >> >> >> If you read Psalm 22 it becomes immediately obvious what prophecy Jesus >> was referring to when he cried out from the cross: >> >> "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from >> helping me, and from the words of my roaring?" >> >> [...] >> >> "All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they >> shake the head, saying, He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver >> him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him." >> >> [...] >> >> "They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion. >> I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart >> is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. My strength is >> dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou >> hast brought me into the dust of death. For dogs have compassed me: the >> assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my >> feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. They part my >> garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture." >> >> [...] >> >> "I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the >> congregation will I praise thee. Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all >> ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of >> Israel. For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the >> afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto >> him, he heard." >> >> [...] >> >> "All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go >> down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own >> soul. A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a >> generation. They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a >> people that shall be born, that he hath done this." >> >> Psalm 22 was written almost a thousand years before Jesus was crucified. >> Crucifixion had not even been invented yet when this Psalm was written. >> yet even before the practice of crucifixion had been conceived, the >> prophecy said: >> >> "... they pierced my hands and my feet." >> >> In the holy consciousness of Jesus Christ, he had faith that this cursed >> execution was his doorway to being Lord of all creation. He wasn't >> whining. He was gloating! By referencing Psalm 22 he was putting >> everyone on notice that he would rise from the grave and take dominion. >> >> You see, Jesus wasn't crying out in distress to ask God why he was being >> kicked to the curb. He was instructing the witnesses what was about to >> happen. Jesus was gloating over his victory! > > This was a prophetic Chapter of Jesus, one that was fulfilled by Jesus alone. > > He cried what he said loudly because of the pain he felt and what he was > going through, he didn't just "quote" the First verse, Jesus knew fully what > he was about to face, which is why he asked his Father and His God, if this > cup could be worked around. These were his last words, which he yelled out for the reason I elaborated. He said it is finished after he said these words, then gave up the ghost and died immediately after. "After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst." While dying on the cross, Jesus was more concerned with his dear Mother than he was with his own suffering: "When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home." Jesus was not quoting this scripture because of the pain he felt. He was quoting the prophecy about his crucifixion and death. He was pointing to the final testimony of what his death meant and what would come after it. This was a pure Giga Chad Sigma Male Grindset move on his part. By quoting Psalm 22 Jesus made his executioners a spectacle to the world. Your claim that he was crying from the pain is an assumption, and it is wrong. You are just making stuff up. Jesus died like a boss. He used his last words to declare his victory, not to complain about his predicament. -- Nightbulb | https://blog.nightbulb.net | Flip the night switch. If tacky red hats annoy Pharisees I want to buy hats for the whole town.