Path: paganini.bofh.team!tor-network!not-for-mail From: "NightBulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.bible Subject: Re: Is the Kingdom within you? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 23:30:22 -0500 Organization: To protect and to server Message-ID: <20231018233022.14f453e7.nospam@nightbulb.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team; logging-data="71315"; posting-host="yaiZZrUdiEEaNAsVgj/ktw.user.paganini.bofh.team"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team"; posting-account="9dIQLXBM7WM9KzA+yjdR4A"; Cancel-Lock: sha256:lVuv5hF3zhu3PAm6EMShxAEZ1szf7YfaTcM10wH+mec= X-TOR-Router: sha256:MjAwMTo2N2M6ODljOjcwMjoxY2U6MWNlOmJhYmU6Nw== -- X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.3 Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.bible:663373 On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 18:01:38 -0700 No one wrote: > On Sep 30, 2023, NightBulb.net wrote > (in article ): > > > On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 10:17:59 -0500 > > Just a guy wrote: > > > > > > So even if the Kingdom could be inside a person, they are the > > > > last persons who would have it. > > > > Paul says that a man must examine himself to see the kingdom in his > > own heart, and that only a reprobate cannot see this. > > > > "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own > > selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in > > you, except ye be reprobates? But I trust that ye shall know that > > we are not reprobates." (2 Corinthians 13:5-6) > > > > Paul makes it clear, that a man need only ask himself if Christ is > > within, and if the man is not a reprobate he will know the answer is > > yes. "Whether ye be in the faith" is in reference to the acceptance > > of grace. It is not an analysis of one's deeds but of one's belief. > > > > I have the kingdom of God and His Government in my heart burning > > like a raging fire. I have an assurance of my own salvation that is > > so fervent that it is sometimes agonizing to see others bereft of > > this gift. I have the testimony that I never did any work to > > receive this gift of life, but merely by hearing the good news of > > the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus, and being drawn by the > > Spirit to believe, this gift became my inheritance. I did not earn > > it. I did not do the right things or say the right words. Jesus did > > the right thing and his reward is also a gift to me and all others > > who also have believed. > > > > A saved believer could go out tomorrow and rob banks and throw > > stones at old women crossing the street, curse and swear like a > > sailor, and behave like a filthy sinner, and still have the > > assurance of eternal life. A man's outward deeds have nothing to do > > with salvation. Saving faith is the conviction of the inner man, > > the part of the mind and heart that Paul tells us to examine. Those > > who hate the gospel are obsessed with sin and "repenting of sin" > > because they are proud and want to make their own way. > > > > > I disagree with this as well. Why? You must search your own heart > > > for this answer. Does Christ live in you? Does the love for all > > > men live in you for the good of all living? > > > > > > If you have examined your own heart and found love living there > > > then indeed, God lives within you. > > > > Anyone who is not a reprobate knows how to answer this examination. > > He has received the testimony of the spirit that salvation is by > > grace through faith and is assured to those who simply believe on > > Jesus Christ: > > > > "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? > > And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be > > saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:30-31) > > > > A reprobate has no answer and no assurance of it. Thus the reprobate > > (Watchtower cult) is always seeking some works to perform to assuage > > God's wrath. They see God's kingdom as a visible organization (it > > isn't, for "the kingdom cometh not with observation". > > > > The reprobate will preach a reprobate false gospel warning about > > God's wrath upon those who don't join the right club or don't say > > the right words or don't reform their ways. Conversely, the > > regenerate man testifies of the free gift of the grace and love of > > God which he has found inhabiting his own heart and mind. > > > > I have never seen or heard a Watchtower cultist give this testimony > > of salvation by God's grace, not once in over 40 years. There is > > always a hook in their message. There is always something man must > > do to improve upon the sacrifice of Jesus, thus they declare the > > blood of Jesus an unclean thing in the way of Cain. > > > > The only Jehovah's witnesses I have heard declare the gospel of > > grace are former Jehovah's witnesses who have believed the true > > gospel and left the Watchtower cult as a result of that belief. > > > > "Who the Son sets free is free indeed." > > > > The gospel is very simple. All men are judged guilty by the law, and > > have earned the wages of sin, which is death. God prepared a > > sacrifice for all the sin of the whole world, his own Son, Jesus > > Christ, who is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. > > God sacrificed his own Son, and this sacrifice took away all sin > > forever. This is the faith of Abraham and the righteousness of God. > > All who believe this, that Jesus Christ took away their sin, shall > > be saved from the wages of sin. All who believe this are accounted > > as righteous by faith. Any attempt to add a requirement for works > > or discipleship or religion is a false gospel and a rejection of > > the blood of the Lamb. > > > > False preachers with their false gospel and their false Jesus cause > > mental damage to their victims, depriving their victims of the > > assurance of salvation by simple faith. They have terrorized > > hundreds of millions of souls into believing that salvation is > > something that must be earned, and there can not be any assurance > > in the mind of the believer except by works. This lie from the pit > > of hell is a form of spiritual and mental terrorism for which those > > false teachers will have to answer to the Lord. > > > > > If you believe that Jesus took away sin and that you are saved by > > his sacrifice and not by your own deeds, then you are saved. Ignore > > and rebuke every liar who teaches a false discipleship gospel of > > works and you will gain that assurance in your own soul, and you > > will be able to look into your own heart and see the Kingdom of God > > in it: > > Sin remains in the earth and people are growing exceedingly sinful, > as Jesus said it will be like Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. Believers walk > by Faith, and that not of themselves it is the gift of God. Sin has always been in the earth and it has always been this bad you blunt Pharisee. > Luk 21:34-36 > > 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be > overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, > and sothat day come upon you unawares. > > 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of > the whole earth. > > 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted > worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to > stand before the Son of man. He was talking to those who are already saved on how to escape the coming judgment. He was not talking about their eternal salvation. You pharisees with your false works gospel love to terrorize people with stories of hellfire. But God already fulfilled this prophecy and sent Israel into the fire, long ago. > > Do you really think you can go out and live a life or sin and > debauchery as a believer and walk away scot free why you do not > follow Jesus? Since you claim to follow Jesus, which commandments must a man keep to be saved? And which commandment, if broken, will damn him? Hmmm? > Heb 10:26-30 > > 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge > of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, > > 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery > indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. As usually, you trot this out to curse the redeemed to hell for not becoming law-keepers. You are unregenerate and reprobate. The Apostle was referring to those who received the gospel but rejected it and trod it underfoot, not to those who lived in it by faith. Every time I see some reprobate quote this, they always omit the conclusion of verse 39: "But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." The Apostle says point blank that his audience are not those men that sin wilfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, because they believe on Jesus Christ ... not because they are the pharisees who keep the law. It is law keepers who are damned to the fiery indignation, you stupid fool. You, for all of your law keeping, are cursing yourself! > 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three > witnesses: > > 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought > worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted > the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy > thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? It is the rulers of Judea who trod the Son under foot. You judaizers try to twist this scripture to apply to someone who has been saved by grace through faith, wrongly teaching that if they sin they can lose their salvation. Well did Paul warn about those unlearned and unstable souls who twist the scripture to their own destruction! > 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I > will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his > people. And that judgement was poured out on Judea between 66-70 a.d. exactly as prophesied. The Apostle is not talking about those who have received salvation and the gift of the holy ghost. Those who believe on Jesus are sealed up to God, and cannot be lost: > So if you slip up but do not continue in sin, you can be forgiven and > restored, but if you give yourself over the the desires of the flesh? Judaizer. Salvation is not by works. The above scripture was about the judgment of Judea under the old covenant, not about judgment of those who trust in Christ. > Mat 24:46-51 > > 46 Blessed isthat servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so > doing. The good servant is the one who preaches the gift of grace through faith, increasing what the Lord put into his hand. > 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his > goods. > > 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord > delayeth his coming; The evil servant is the law-keepers who claim to keep God's law, who are hiding the wealth under a rock. The Apostle is remarking about the religious elite who killed Christ for being a "law-breaker" and "blasphemer." That's you, Mr. Robert. You are the evil servant, who is treading the Son of God under your foot by declaring his sacrifice insufficient for all sin, accounting the gospel of grace as blasphemy that is insufficient to take away all sin. > 49 And shall begin to smite hisfellowservants, and to eat and drink > with the drunken; This is exactly what the Pharisees and judaizers (law-keepers) do. They terrorize their brethren with threats of cursing and wrath from God, while getting drunk on lies and false doctrine of God's enemies. They are drunk with the wine of religious fornication. This is exactly what you are doing in your response to me. You are exposing yourself as the evil servant. > 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not > for him,and in an hour that he is not aware of, > > 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint himhis portion with the > hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And this happened when God sent Rome to raze Jerusalem. The Apostle is not teaching his audience rules for their personal behavior. He is telling them of the coming judgment on the law-keepers! Everyone who claims to keep the law of Moses is a liar! Nobody does, or can keep the law of Moses. The Faith of Abraham is not about the law but about the sacrifice that fulfills the law and makes its penalty paid in full! > Yes, Hell is real and for today, the Lake of Fire and brimstone is > for tomorrow after the Day of Judgment. You are in hell, now, Mr. Robert. This world is the realm of the dead who are separated from God. Jesus said so: "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Earth is hell. Peter has the keys that open the gates to heaven, and what Peter binds on earth, passes through the gates of hell as if decreed from heaven itself. Jesus has made it clear what his view of hell is: this world. This world is the world of the dead: "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;" The wages of sin is death, and those under the law are already dead. "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) ... For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Thus those who are saved by faith are freed from death and hell, and have the keys to the gates, so that when their physical body dies they will rise to heaven to be with the Lord. They are already accounted as seated in a heavenly place even while yet in the flesh. They are in the world, but not of the world, not because they keep the law of Moses, but because the law is written on their hearts by faith. > If there were no hell then there would be not justice. If there were > no hell, then from what are you saved and have escaped? The wages of sin is death. It does not say the wages of sin is the lake of fire. Woe to you, unstable soul, who perverts the word of God to make a false gospel! > The below is a prophecy of God for Israel during the Millennial > Kingdom. It speaks to the House of Israel. This is not the "Millenial Kingdom." It is the prophecy of the new covenant, you scripture-twisting judaizer! Here God prophesied the new covenant of the Lamb, and his taking away their sin. We who have believed have no need of any man to tell us to know the Lord, because we actually do know him. His spirit works in us. > > "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of > > Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their > > inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, > > and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man > > his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for > > they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of > > them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will > > remember their sin no more." (Jeremiah 33:34) You are a judaizer who twists the scripture to promote a works gospel. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Your own law-keeping can not save you. By pretending to keep the law you curse yourself: "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." What Paul says here is as I said above: "Saving faith is the conviction of the inner man, the part of the mind and heart that Paul tells us to examine. Those who hate the gospel are obsessed with sin and "repenting of sin" because they are proud and want to make their own way." Paul understands that the flesh cannot cease from sinning, and notes it as wretched. He also says of the flesh which cannot cease from sinning: "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." Those who walk after the flesh (trying to keep the law) cannot please God! It does not please God when you pretend to be righteous by following rules. It pleases God when you have faith in his Son: "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." Who was living after the flesh? The law-keeping Pharisees! You are not righteous and you do not understand the gospel of Jesus Christ. I have told you the gospel. You had better trust in him, or else you will suffer the very things you try to impute to others. The judgment you measure out in your hypocrisy will be measured back to you again. -- NightBulb | https://nightbulb.net | Flip the night switch.