Path: paganini.bofh.team!eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!news.mixmin.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "NightBulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.bible,alt.religion.christian Subject: Re: Correction: PAGAN SYMBAL:++CROSS Followup-To: alt.bible Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 16:05:52 -0600 Organization: Mixmin Message-ID: References: <63923ec2$0$2256$1c4686b2@news.club.cc.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 05:57:15 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net; posting-host="a7a1c509498394b3fab233833912fac9b3170e03"; logging-data="2851570"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@mixmin.net" Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic:1154249 alt.bible:654014 alt.religion.christian:795858 On 12/8/22 16:39, tesla sTinker wrote: > the old covenant is canceled.  Show me where Jesus said so? You're kidding, right? The Old Covenant was cancelled before the foundation of the world. The people required to sacrifice were those who could not be accounted righteous by faith in the sacrifice God would provide. You are implying that the Lamb of sacrifice provided by God on the cross is not sufficient for the forgiveness of sin. The whole point of the Old Covenant was to witness the sacrifice. The Old Covenant convicted of sin and condemned. It did not liberate man from sin, nor could it. A better sacrifice was needed. You don't avoid judgment for breaking the ten commandments by keeping the ten commandments. That's not how it works. You avoid the judgment by sacrifice. The reason is simple. You don't keep the commandments. You never have kept the commandments. And until you are resurrected into a sinless body, you never will. If you claim that you do keep the commandments ... then you are a liar. If you claim that Christ in you keeps the commandments, then you are not far from the Kingdom. If you break one commandment, one single precept of the law, then you have broken them all and you are forever guilty of the whole law and no amount of bull or lamb offerings or prayers or apologies or sorrows can remove that guilt. But one spotless lamb, who laid claim and title to you as his possession, paid the debt of your guilt. Jesus being your owner, paid your frankpledge with his blood. That's why he stands as the mediator between the Father and man. Jesus is your owner. He bought you. So for someone who claims to believe in the Old Covenant, you certainly don't understand it. The New Covenant is the point of the Old Covenant. We see this with John the Baptist who told Israel to bring forth fruits meet for repentance. They failed. So God provided the fruit for sacrifice. Everyone brought their sin offerings to sacrifice to atone for sin. Once the Lamb of God was slain, there is no more sacrifice, which the Old Testament prophets understood: "Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart." (Compare to Jeremiah 31:31) "For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." -- Nightbulb | https://blog.nightbulb.net | Flip the night switch. If tacky red hats annoy Pharisees I want to buy hats for the whole town.