Path: paganini.bofh.team!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.mixmin.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nightbulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.catholic,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.bible,alt.messianic Subject: Re: Can God create a rock He cannot lift? Followup-To: alt.bible Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 04:03:04 -0500 Organization: Mixmin Message-ID: References: <6hg3kh121hf4cd1vf6rn70flmj5ic35glh@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 09:29:27 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net; posting-host="6166cdce4aee00cbb673c6d34ac8d4035c1dd344"; logging-data="3373959"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@mixmin.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.4.0 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.atheism:4768153 alt.religion.christian.catholic:4766 alt.christnet.christianlife:1034827 alt.bible.prophecy:743380 alt.bible:652378 alt.messianic:513186 On 10/10/22 09:19, zebra2@windstream.net wrote: >> If you have a ***genuine*** question, fine, but don't waste my time >> (with your own), trying to be righteous! > God wants us to 'try to be righteous', that means we are trying to > obey His commands (although we fail at times). That is why we so > needed Jesus' ransom sacrifice. With it, we have a chance. Nonsense. Trying to be righteous and $2.50 will get you a candy bar and nothing more. If Jesus' sacrifice merely means, 'we have a chance' then let me know when an effective sacrifice is provided, that is more than a mere 'chance' for salvation. The yearly sacrifice of the High Priest in the Temple was not a 'mere chance for salvation,' but rather totally abated God's wrath from the nation. In the same tone, the sacrifice of Jesus did not mean a mere 'chance' of salvation, but rather established salvation on the rock so that the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. The name Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua. 'Joshua' means the Lord is Salvation. It does not mean, 'mere chance for salvation.' By the terminology you use, you are showing your true belief. You believe that God the Father is a fickle, vengeful, wrathful tyrant who leaves everyone clueless and in the dark about his desires and intentions, so everyone is hand-wringing and worry-warting about whether or not a loud fart will offend God and doom them to a roasting pit. God is not concerned about your flesh or your fleshly behavior. The flesh cannot be subject to the law of God. We do not serve God with our flesh. We serve him with our mind. This is the 'mind of Christ in you' that the Apostle taught. By trying to serve God with your flesh, with your 'repenting of sin' you are specifically *not* serving God with your mind. And what did God say of this? 'I have desired obedience, not sacrifice!' God hates man's sacrifices. God wants obedience! And what is obedience? Is it refraining from sin in the flesh? Hell, no! Obedience is Repentance is Obedience. To obey is to repent. "Repent" means to turn the mind, and give your mind to God, to be thoroughly baptized in his Word. RE = turn, bend ; PENTE = mind, conscience. Thus we are commanded to be baptized to have a clean conscience before God. Not a clean body. Not a clean lifestyle. A clean conscience! The truly righteous argue with God all day and all night. The difference between the truly righteous and the religious is this: The religious argue with everyone else, and project their own unrighteousness onto the people around them, rather than wrestling with God. If you fall upon this stone you will be broken. But if this stone falls upon you, you will be crushed. That's all your religious 'repenting of your sins' is storing up for you. > The righteous are saved with much difficulty. So we must constantly > try to do what is right. And then we can be saved at the end. (Mt > 24:13) This scripture is not a rule book, like you present it. Jesus was talking about that time and that place. He was not giving a universal law. He was talking about people being saved from the coming destruction and warfare. The scribes and pharisees were law-keepers who 'repented of their sins' like no other. Were they saved at the end? No, they were exterminated. Those who fled Judea, when the warning came from John the Apostle, were saved from the wrath to come. How do we know this, that John's warning came and the righteous fled and escaped the wrath of the end? Jesus said of John, that John would tarry until the time of the end. He said that John would still be alive when Jesus returned to execute God's wrath on Judea. John had his visions and wrote them down. Then John sent his writing (Revelation) to the saints abroad. In it was a warning: "When you see the abomination of desolation ... flee into the mountains..." That was the time of the end that Jesus was talking about. He was not talking about our age. He was talking about the end of that age, nearly two thousand years past. Trying to package one scripture verse up as a universal code of conduct is a denial of what the scripture was meant to address. It was directed to a particular group of people at a particular time. Your religion cannot save you. Your religion dooms you. -- Nightbulb https://blog.nightbulb.net Flip the night switch.