Path: paganini.bofh.team!tor-network!not-for-mail From: "NightBulb.net" Newsgroups: alt.bible Subject: Re: (35) Purgatory.Confeses not in Bible. Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 06:36:39 -0500 Organization: To protect and to server Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 11:31:33 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team; logging-data="1181211"; posting-host="4Y7lCoyisb0X29dgePek1Q.user.paganini.bofh.team"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team"; posting-account="9dIQLXBM7WM9KzA+yjdR4A"; Cancel-Lock: sha256:MsZZdxqtu0I5ySv1LvwXjiSw7XJUr8nKeXFEKTwY89g= X-TOR-Router: 45.138.16.240 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.3 Xref: paganini.bofh.team alt.bible:661745 On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 06:37:36 -0400 James wrote: > Purgatory.RCC confesses not in Bible. > > "The Catholic doctrine on purgatory is based on tradition, not Sacred > Scripture." (Vol. 11, p. 1034.) > > So how reliable is religious tradition? > > Yes, our enemy certainly wanders about like a roaring lion seeking to > devour someone. (1 Pe 5:8) > > It appears a reasonable question at this point would be: Does the > Bible want us to include post-Apostlic "traditions" as part of our > true worship? > > Traditions are NOT inspired of God, like the Bible is. During the 1st > contury The apostles WERE inspired of God. Thus back then traditions > could be relied upon. But what about today? Yes the Catholic church is wrong about purgatory. And you are also wrong about purgatory. A man doesn't go to 'purgatory' after he dies. Mankind has already died and gone to 'purgatory': Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. The 'lake of fire and brimstone' in the Greek is a refiner's crucible. The 'basanos' is the touchstone for testing the gold being refined in the fire. The brimstone is used to separate the impurity (sin) from the gold (heart). Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. The 'second death' is described as an 'age of ages.' It is a succession of ages in God's plan from the beginning. Those not found worthy are cast into this age of burning along with all the falsehoods they love. Jesus said God will thrust all men into this fire: Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. The word, 'salted' here means 'preserved' or 'saved.' Jesus is saying those cast into hell will be 'salted' or 'saved.' Oh, yes, that is exactly what he means. And he warns everyone that it will be extremely unpleasant: "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt." In essence Jesus is telling men to quickly prepare to struggle with their sin and unbelief, or else God will force them to deal with it in trial by fire. And these many centuries since have been that age of trial by fire. The Old Testament teaches about this copiously: Ezekiel 22:18 Son of man, the house of Israel is to me become dross: all they are brass, and tin, and iron, and lead, in the midst of the furnace; they are even the dross of silver. [metal refining is done with brimstone] Ezekiel 22:20 As they gather silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, into the midst of the furnace, to blow the fire upon it, to melt it; so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and I will leave you there, and melt you. [metal refining is done with brimstone] We see here the true meaning of the pool of fire and brimstone referred to in the book of Revelation. God in his wrath, casts the unbelieving nations into a new age, full of war, suffering, contention, and insanity, to 'melt' all the souls and teach them the consequences of their idolatry and unbelief. That age is now. It is not in the 'afterlife' but in this present reality. Deuteronomy 4:20 But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were cast into the fiery furnace. But because of their faith in God and the Son of God, not even the smell of the smoke touched them. They came out of the fire unhurt because their was no impurity in them that fire could burn. If you have the impurity of unbelief, idolatry, and false religion, then you will continue to suffer during this cycle of ages until you are 'melted' from the heat. This is what the metaphor refers to. The Christian interpretation of endless torment is a lie and a slander against the character of God. God the Father finds the idea of torturing someone forever, especially in fire, to be absolutely sickening and repugnant: Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin. Christians actually believe and teach that Jehovah will sacrifice sinners to Molech, for all eternity! But God does not cast anyone off for eternity: "For the LORD will not cast off for ever: But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies. For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men." God does cause grief to nations that rebel against him. But he does not boil them in oil and charcoal for eternity. He 'burns' them with grief and calamity to teach them their error. When the burning is done, he gives them yet another chance to return to him: Zechariah 10:6 And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them. God has all eternity to play this game of cat and mouse with mankind. He has all the real power and he holds all the aces. The infernalists and annihilationists don't know the character of Jehovah. He is longsuffering and he forgives his enemies. If his enemies will not repent and turn to him, he sends them into the furnace to 'melt' in the heat caused by their own pride and vanity, and causes the necessary calamities to show his wrath at sin, so that souls will be convicted of sin and repent. In the end every soul will bow to Jesus Christ and God the Father. Not one soul in all of creation will continue in the rebellion. Every proud and obstinate heart will have its part in the lake of fire and brimstone until pride and rebellion are utterly burnt out of them. The Christian doctrine of an Auschwitz volcanic BBQ pit for souls is a lie. The JW doctrine of annihilationism is a monstrous lie. Both are wrong. God created man to have eternal life, and man will have eternal life through the Lord Jesus Christ. All your religious attempts to limit God's salvation to those who give allegiance and money to your sectarian tribe are a patent racket. -- NightBulb | https://nightbulb.net | Flip the night switch.